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death fuzzy · Mar 28, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

After reading the stuff on GW2 on the site, Im beginning to think the fans are creating the new games (not that its a bad thing)

Take for example:

playable races?
no level cap?

I know these are just 2 things they mentioned, but what do you think?

lyra_song · Mar 28, 2007, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Go to our sardelac sanitarium, youll find enough suggestions to make a whole game in there

class concepts, game mechanics concepts, minigames, skills, everything.

i wouldnt be surprised at all...

i mean they already got us making weapons for them.......

Puebert · Mar 28, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

I think many poeple wanted the ability to transfer into GW2... and they aren't giving us that option (the one I think should be there! rawr.), but mostly everything else, yes.

The don't want to taint GW1.

Bryant Again · Mar 28, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

I'll agree, sure.

Zorglubb · Mar 28, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Rather than fan based, I would say marketing based. They went for what the masses said they wanted, each time they purchased a copy of WoW rather than GW.

arcanemacabre · Mar 28, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

This is really hard to disagree with. Whether they like it or not, Anet is making what most people want in an MMO, and they are doing this because the community has been asking for it.

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorglubb

Rather than fan based, I would say marketing based. They went for what the masses said they wanted, each time they purchased a copy of WoW rather than GW.

Without fans, they have no market. So of course, it's both. You can't very well sell a game if nobody likes it.

Zorglubb · Mar 28, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Without fans, they have no market.

Depends what meaning you give to "fans", for instance if GW2 was to be looked down by all of the current GW players ("fans"), but adopted by a fraction of the WoW buyers, Anet would still end up with more customers... and making more money.

arcanemacabre · Mar 28, 2007, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorglubb

Depends what meaning you give to "fans", for instance if GW2 was to be looked down by all of the current GW players ("fans"), but adopted by a fraction of the WoW buyers, Anet would still end up with more customers... and making more money.

If the game is a success and liked by many, it really doesn't matter where those customers come from, they will then be fans. As long as it's a success, it will have a fanbase, and it will mean Anet is catering to "fans". 'Tis the darn hard truth.

Edge Martinez · Mar 28, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

That'd make it good business, not necessarily a fan driven game. I think GW1 is fan driven. I think GW2 is ANet's answer to WoW. For the most part I think the one thing that will end up hurting current GW players is the high level cap. There are people who are against it, people who don't care, and people who are for it. Amongst the people who are for it, all it will take is a few weeks of being behind the power curve before the forums flood with complaints.

Everything else about the game sounds great.

VGJustice · Mar 28, 2007, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

If the game is a success and liked by many, it really doesn't matter where those customers come from, they will then be fans. As long as it's a success, it will have a fanbase, and it will mean Anet is catering to "fans". 'Tis the darn hard truth.

qft, I was thinking the same thing.

As for the topic at large, I only mildly agree. It's more like the company is making a game but asking their existing fanbase what would be nice to have. If they were just making it for the fans alone, then GW2 would be little more than yet another chapter to be added on to GW.

garethporlest18 · Mar 28, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15

Yeah I think it's we had some doing with the features in GW 2. Nothing I said I wanted though, but I don't mind, I'm happy with most if not all of the new features. Anytime something is new, it's usually good with me.

Edge, I play a nasty grinding game. I don't complain on their forums, I just deal with it and don't play it if I'm bored, good suggestions for you all for the future. As long as you buy it..Anet's won. Hahahaha.

Envious · Mar 28, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Whatever Anet comes up with, I'm with them 110%. Sure, there are people that disagree with what Anet brings up, and some that agree. Thats the way how it is. But know one thing, Anet is trying their very best to cater to all kinds of gamers, from the Hard-core to the Casual.

Me, I'd place myself in the casual/semi-hardcore GW's player category, and I do play games other than GW.

A little change can be good, but sometimes that not always the case as some players will most likely be disappointed. I say, people should give it a chance, give it time, beta won't be coming out until late 08' anyway.

Kool Pajamas · Mar 28, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57

I agree. Now where's my paycheck?????

Tetris L · Mar 28, 2007, 08:01 AM // 08:01

If by "fan-based" you mean "designed to be popular", you're right, of course. NCsoft/ANet are running a business, and GW is a commercial product. They'd be stupid not to design the game in such a way to maximise the popularity of the game, and consequently their sales.

And let me add: I don't see anything wrong about it. I trust that ANet are very much aware that a successful game must have both: Commonly accepted / well known / popular elements of the MMORPG genre (to make it easy for new players to switch), and innovative / new / distinct / unique features for GW. The combination is what makes a good game.

freekedoutfish · Mar 28, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

GW2 would be a fan-based game if they let you take your characters over. But thankfully you cant and we will all have to start afresh.

Anet had the sense to realise that if they let players take their characters over, then the entire community would want to control the project to better suit their existing characters.

But since they cant, and its completely under Anets control, they can create a whole new game and aim it at a new audience while still keeping their fan-base.

Anet will do the odd small thing to keep the fan-base around and lure them in, but I expect most of the game will be revamped to take advantage of new technologies and to learn from mistakes made in GW1.

Tetris L · Mar 28, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

GW2 would be a fan-based game if they let you take your characters over.

The hardcore veterans like to think of only themselves as the "fan community". But for ANet they are only a very small part of their customers. Actually for ANet's sales it is much more important to cater the newbies and the casual players.

If ANet would allow GW1 players to transfer too much stuff over to GW2 that would give the GW1 veterans a huge headstart, which might scare away some of the new beginners. I know that I'm always reluctant to start playing a game that has been out for a very long time, because I know that I'll probably be owned and belittled by all the l33t veteran players who have been playing the game since day one. I don't like to be a newb, and I don't like to be owned. I prefer to start playing a game when it's new, so that everybody is a newbie just like me.

Chewbacca Defense · Mar 28, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I can't make an opinion on this yet. I haven't seen the finished product.

Krispy · Mar 28, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca Defense

I can't make an opinion on this yet. I haven't seen the finished product.

Amen to that...

I'm already sick of the whining about "they won't let us transfer...", "they're copying WoW", "they don't listen to fans"....

I've read these forums over the past year and now that GW2 is coming out, I'm seeing things that people have asked about for a long time being implemented. How is that "not listening to fans" or "abandoning the true fans" or "trying to steal people from WoW"?

Get over it. They're building a game, that from the glimpses we've had, is built around the major suggestions (no, it's not all of them) that they've gotten from folks, but is still GW. People have been asking for jumping/climbing/swimming and playable races for a long time. I, for one, am glad to see that they're trying to build a richer game experience while maintaining the original vision of GW, which is to provide a fun game that you don't have to pay $150 a year, plus the cost of the game itself.

My point is that it's more than a year away from release, we've only seen a fraction of the plan and there could be a ton more to come, so let's just wait and see.

/rant

Domino · Mar 28, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I'll second that.

People panic and say it's the end of the world and threaten to quit GW everytime a sequel is announced.

and yet the funny part is... they never do.

Mordakai · Mar 28, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Of course GW2 is fan-based! Anet admits it. And it's not a bad thing...

For a detailed analysis, I recommend this Sticky:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10135994